Apparently, the CEO of Spirit Airlines doesn't understand how the "Reply to All" button works. I've received e-mails directly from Spirit Airlines folks not wanting to have their name mentioned on my blog suggesting to me that Spirit's current problems originate at the top. With all their layoffs (outsourcing, I'm told) it's tough to say. But this really does seem to back it up.A curious comment from Christy came in earlier on the Spirit Airlines post tipping us off. Basically, she and her husband sent in a complaint, and Ben Baldanza hit "reply to all" with his jerky response. Christy was kind enough to forward me the full e-mail she received, including headers showing the e-mail originating from legitimate Spirit Airlines servers.
Taken by itself, I'd shrug my shoulders. Just another arrogant CEO. In context to the now 80+ comment thread taking place on this blog, it would seem that Spirit Airlines doesn't even understand the basics of modern customer service. Judging by the e-mail sent to Christy, they don't care to learn.
Christy found the e-mail addresses for the Spirit Airlines executive team because a user identifying themselves as "John Smith" posted them here. Just in case, you know, you'd like to join in. (no need to flame, just share with them your experiences.)
Stuck on the Palmetto was right. Spirit Airlines does in fact suck, and neither myself, nor SotP, are alone in feeling that way. Who knew.
Here's the e-mail, which was sent not just to Ben Baldanza's colleagues, but also to Christy. I'm following the text with the complete e-mail/headers (including what he was responding to) for anyone doubting the legitimacy.
UPDATE (8/22): I went through and removed everyone's last names except for Mr. Baldanza's. Originally, I left them thinking it might help someone legitimize this e-mail. These folks are just trying to do their jobs, and this isn't meant to be a personal attack in any way. It's not even about Christy and her husband's specific complaint, it's about the way that it was handled in context to the now 100+ thread of customer service issues.
UPDATE #2: Consumerist picks up on the story. (in addition to Gadling, SotP, Jaunted, Elliot.org, Upgrade: Travel Better and others) I posted a follow up on all my various thoughts here.
UPDATE #3: BEFORE COMMENTING, PLEASE DEAR GOD FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH OUR CONVERSATION. This is not the "start" of the discussion. This was taken out of the comment section of a larger post. Orlando Sentinel is the only media outlet that I've actually spoken to, and their story is probably the best starting point outside of the original post.
From: Ben Baldanza [mailto:Ben.Baldanza@SpiritAir.com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:02 PM
To: (removed by alex), Christy; Martin (removed by alex); Tony (removed by alex); John (removed by alex); Pasquale (removed by alex)
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From: Ben Baldanza [mailto:Ben.Baldanza@SpiritAir.com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:02 PM
To: (removed by alex), Christy; Martin (removed by alex); Tony (removed by alex); John (removed by alex); Pasquale (removed by alex)
Subject: Re: Complaint
-----Original Message-----
From: James (removed by alex), Christy <(removed by alex)>
To: Ben Baldanza; Martin (removed by alex); Tony (removed by alex); John (removed by alex)
Sent: Mon Aug 20 12:05:09 2007
Subject: Complaint
As first time Spirit Airline customers, we would like to inform you that we found the entire experience to be completely and utterly dissatisfying. Our biggest complaint stems from the delay of our flight on August 14, scheduled to leave Orlando, Florida at 4:40 pm and land in Atlanta, Georgia at approximately 6:13 pm. As we were waiting to board the 4:40 pm flight, an announcement was made at approximately 4:00 pm that the flight would be delayed and the new estimated departure time was 6:00 pm. The entire time that the flight was delayed, there was never an update made to the flight status board at the gate and whenever customers would inquire about the status of the flight to the gate attendant, they were informed that "as soon as we know something, you will know" in a very rude manner. Finally, the flight arrived at our gate at approximately 6:30 pm, well after the time that we were originally told was the new departure, and our flight left Orlando at approximately 7:15 pm.
When we landed and arrived at the gate to de-board in Atlanta at approximately 8:45 pm, the pilot informed the passengers that we were a few feet away from the gate and had to wait for an Atlanta airport Supervisor come unlock the gate door for us. He made it a point to inform us that this was not Spirit's fault (even though our flight was arriving almost 3 hours late). After waiting in the plane on the ground for another 20 minutes, we were finally able to de-board the plane when the Supervisor arrived.
It is understandable that flights are delayed at times, and for this reason, we booked our trip to Atlanta with ample time to get to the concert that we were supposed to attend on the night of August 14th even if the flight was delayed by up to an hour and a half. However, because the delay by your airline was so long and then there was the additional delay of getting off of the airplane, we missed the entire concert which was the sole reason we booked the trip to Atlanta. We had a hotel room that we booked in advance and stayed at the night of the 14th and there were multiple other expenses involved in this trip that turned out to be a colossal waste of time and money. To top matters off, the next morning, on our return flight with Spirit Airlines, that flight was delayed as well. The flight on August 15th was scheduled to depart Atlanta at 10:00 am and instead didn't leave until 11:00 am.
As I mentioned earlier, this was our first experience using your airline and we couldn't believe the poor customer service and flight delays. On multiple occasions, we observed your employees talking rudely to customers and just in general, exhibiting extremely poor customer service skills. My husband and I have flown other discount air carriers before and have never had the kind of problems we experienced with Spirit. Rest assured, that unless we are reimbursed for the costs of our wasted trip (including the missed concert and hotel expenses) we will be very diligent in spreading the word that Spirit is not an airline that we would ever recommend using. You can also be assured that this was the general sentiment among the passengers on board the flight on August 14th. We talked with numerous people who were missing important meetings, events, etc. and we also overheard several people indicating that that was the first and last time they will ever use Spirit Airlines.
Below we've listed all of our expenses associated with this trip and have attached receipts. Understanding that mechanical problems can unexpectedly cause delays, we still paid for our tickets, essentially entering into a contract, with the expectation that Spirit would get us to Atlanta in a reasonable amount of time. Obviously, your organization did not hold up the end of that contract.
Flight and Taxes: $73.60
Concert Tickets: $204.95
Hotel: $81.29
Airport Parking: $17.00
Now, you must also understand this is not our first choice of contact with your organization. We would have preferred our 2 phone calls to Spirit customer service representatives to resolve the issue. However, as with our experience on the flights, this too was sub par. To further your understanding of our frustration, I have included my notes from each conversation with your customer service staff.
Customer Service Contacts
August 15, 2007 - approximately 10:00 am
I called reservations and spoke with CSR Jamir, but only after a 15 minute and 37 seconds hold. (He told me he did not have an employee ID number and did not divulge his surname.) While Jamir was apologetic he was not empowered to make amends or remedy the situation. Instead, I was directed to write an email to customerservicer@spiritair.com <mailto:customerservicer
August 16, 2007 2:39 pm
Contacted reservations 800 number again and this time was on hold for 10 minutes. CSR Elisha was polite, but again did not have the authority to make a decision to resolve the issue. Elisha gave me a new number to call for Customer Concerns. (954)447-7965
August 16, 2007 2:53
Upon calling the customer concern number I was placed on hold for 24 minutes. After the 24 minutes, I was greeted by CSR Sandy. (Again she was unable to provide a surname) She was patient at first, listening to my story about the concert, anniversary, etc. She told me she was sorry about the inconvenience and understood the flight was delayed 170 minutes. For our trouble, she would authorize a $100 voucher each for my wife and me. She told me there were guidelines and that I was lucky I got her instead of one of her colleagues because, presumably, they would not have been as empathetic. At this point, I explained to her that I would prefer the compensation in cash and not in an airline voucher, because my expenses were not entirely related to transportation. She then explained the guidelines stated we needed to have been delayed longer in order to receive more compensation.
At this point, the tone of her voice and the overall conversation took a turn for the worse. Understanding she did not have the authority to grant my request, I requested a supervisor. Sandy said there were no supervisors available. I then asked for a name and direct number to leave a voicemail. She then proceeded to tell me all management personnel were on assignment for 8 weeks and would not be available to customers during this time. Now, frustrated, I demanded to be transferred to a supervisors voicemail and informed her they could contact me in 8 weeks if need be. She finally stated she would note the account with regards to the $200 in vouchers and transferred me. As Sandy was ending the call and before she pushed the button to transfer me, I heard her say to a colleague, Im done with this guy. Moments before she made this comment, she boasted that I will be the nicest person you speak with here. How unfortunate for your company if this is an accurate statement.
When she transferred me to the supposed voicemail of supervisor Terry Rusche (out on assignment for 8 weeks), the call was actually directed to extension #8962. This extension as it happens was dead. We resolved to take further written action based on this conversation between myself and CSR Sandy.
We would appreciate your immediate attention to this matter and expect that you will resolve the situation as quickly and fairly as possible.
Sincerely,
James and Christine (removed by alex)
(removed by alex)
Orlando, FL (removed by alex)
PS. This is my third attempt to send this email. Apparently, the email address that the first CSR gave me was incorrect. I had to call the customer service phone number AGAIN and have currently been on hold for 120 minutes. Since I'm not doing anything but wasting my time while waiting for someone to answer the phone, I googled your airline to try to find the email address because it is nowhere to be found on your website. Instead of finding the customer service address, I found a very extensive blog concerning the customer service your airline has provided recently. It is apparent that we are not the only people who find the customer service at Spirit to be severely lacking.


Comments...
(Page 1)1. Nice.....I've never flown Spirit...and thankfully I hope I never will.
9:43PM on Aug 20th 2007 by Josh Hallett
2. Alex, my how you're a programmer in blogger's clothing! You've become the one-stop-shop for anti-spirit airlines. I think I speak for most people when I say, "Save a penny with JetBlue, and love your experience."
9:47PM on Aug 20th 2007 by Randall Bennett
3. I know, I know.. I'd love to stop posting about Spirit at this point, but there are just too many people sending me god awful stories and complaints. Absolutely crazy.
9:51PM on Aug 20th 2007 by Alex Rudloff
4. I never would have imagined how bad this airline was, from this email, it does seem that they truly don't care. And you never bash a client, especially if is documented in something like an email!
12:34AM on Aug 21st 2007 by Chris Husein
5. I think it'll be really interesting to see how this all ends.
I do feel bad for you Alex taking on all of this... But Kudos for keeping on top of it!
9:00AM on Aug 21st 2007 by Celly
6. Wow. I've been researching flights to Peru, and Spirit came up with the best price. But I'd never heard of Spirit airlines, so I looked them up on Google -- and, thank goodness, found your blog. I'll pay the extra money for a more reliable airline. Thanks very much, your blog is most definitely having its intended result. The CEO of Spirit says, "Let him tell the world how bad we are. He's never flown us before anyway and will be back when we save him a penny." Little does he know that most people will choose NOT to "save that penny." How did he get to be CEO, anyway? Never mind the arrogance, that's par for the course. But such stupidity!
10:44AM on Aug 21st 2007 by C.H.N.
7. Wow, the saga continues and it keeps getting worse. I generally try to fly JetBlue and have loved every flight I have taken with them, and use Southwest as my second option. I had looked into Spirit but will think twice about ever considering them in future plans.
10:58AM on Aug 21st 2007 by Thomas C
8. I Am so happy you have this blog...thank you. Spirit is by far the worst airlines ever to be in business.
4:33PM on Aug 21st 2007 by Faun Baldizzi
9. Never underestimate the power of a blog post!
4:43PM on Aug 21st 2007 by Chris Gent
10. I flew Spirit on my honeymoon to Jamaica. I had a great experience. That was a couple years ago, and my parents took care of it. So, maybe that was why I had such a good time. It's probably worth noting that Spirit isn't the bogeyman, but they have had some serious lapses in judgment at the highest levels lately.
Come to think of it, I wonder if my good experience with them was before Ben Baldanza became CEO?
9:47PM on Aug 21st 2007 by Cory
11. I'd imagine the majority of flights on Spirit are just fine, I mean.. not like they're falling out of the sky, and they're pretty cheap.
The thing that seems to be a constant in all the stories being posted is the lack of a functioning customer service line. From what I've been told, they fired just about everyone. The line only works 9-5, and even then, you stand a good chance of not getting through.
I can only speak for myself, but I received a call Saturday morning telling me to call the 800# to rebook, which of course falls outside of the M-F 9-5 hours that they operate in (but don't mention).
If Spirit would even take the slightest effort to handle their incoming call volume, I'd imagine none of this would even be going on.
9:55PM on Aug 21st 2007 by Alex Rudloff
12. Spirit sucks. If you fly Spirit expect to be treated like trash.
12:11AM on Aug 22nd 2007 by August West
13. I am pilot for another airline and am not about to make excuses for Spirit but the CEO's response actually hits the nail right on the head.
First off, what is this customer thinking? Ample time for their plans? You don't shell out hundreds of bucks for concert tickets and think you'll breeze into Atlanta (one of the busiest, most congested airports on the planet) in the middle of August expecting no problems. One thunderstorm and all bets are off. I don't if weather played any part in these delays but you would have to be a moron to book a late afternoon flight into Atlanta in the summertime expecting to waltz into the arena to your concert seats that evening - on ANY airline, What most people don't realize is that the weather doesn't have to be in Orlando or Atlanta or anywhere in between. There may have been a weather or maintenance issue at 9AM in Seattle that got this plane behind its schedule early and that delay ripples all day long. A certain percentage of flights on every airline will experience these types of delays on any given day. Plan on it!
When the CEO said that the customer will be back when they can save a penny is heart of the issue. It's basically true. The airline customer today is almost completely price driven. For he most part the airlines compete on price - not service. That is what the consumer demands and that is what they get. A cheap ticket. The cheaper the airline can operate the better. How much does a customer service or ticket agent make in salary? How many hours do they have to put in in front of irate passengers on any given day? Are you are on hold for 10,20 40 minutes for a res agent? How many res agents does your cheap tickets buy? If you are on a small plane or regional jet - do you have any idea how little your pilot is paid? You would be shocked. An airline in the 90's took some seats off their airplanes to give customers more leg room. Guess what they discovered. Passengers loved it but they would not pay so much as a dime for leg room if brand B offered a cheaper seat. They voted for cramped conditions with their credit cards. Full service airlines are going the way of the dinosaur because that the customer wants the cheapest ticket possible.
Spirit may suck more than most, I don't know. I do know that all airlines have been driven by the cheap ticket mania and customer service is the first casualty.
11:53AM on Aug 22nd 2007 by Bill Patrick
14. Hey Bill (#13),
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
More than this specific complaint, it's important to remember that its
in context to the 100+ thread growing on the other post. Many of the
symptoms being described by both customers and spirit employees point
to management issues -- this email seems to back that theory up.
I disagree that the industry, or any industry, is 100% price driven --
instead, I'd suggest that they are value driven (largely defined by
price). The point where expectations and value meet, you have silence.
On either side of that point, you have word of mouth.
It seems to me that even with Spirit Airlines cheap fares, they are
failing to meet expectations. That speaks volumes about their service.
Thanks again for stopping by.
Best,
Alex
12:00PM on Aug 22nd 2007 by Alex Rudloff
15. Right, so after Bill called us morons, I felt the need to defend myself a bit (Thanks, Bill!). Yes, my husband and I knew we were taking a risk when we booked the flight on the same day of the concert. And yes, our requests for reimbursement may be a little over the top (especially when you consider the delays other passengers have experienced), but understand that had we not experienced the poor customer service at every turn not only throughout the flights but also when we tried to call to speak to someone, we probably wouldn't have even bothered to send a letter in. Yes, we do try to find cheap flights when we fly, but that doesn't give an organization the right to treat you like crap. Do me a favor Bill and google any number of the other discount air carriers and I guarantee that you won't find near as many complaints about customer service as those that are showing up for Spirit.
3:01PM on Aug 22nd 2007 by Christy